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(Although technically the bible only uses the word Christian twice and refers to them as disciples or brothers/sister/followers of Christ. It was a Greek term meaning "Little Christ"; it was initially a derogatory term.)<BR/><BR/>The two are mutually exclusive by their very definition. It has to be one or the other. No fencepost sitting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-52564350279630129272008-07-05T18:15:00.000-06:002008-07-05T18:15:00.000-06:00I'm puzzled why God was mentioned more explicitly ...I'm puzzled why God was mentioned more explicitly in the Declaration of Independence. http://blogs.pioneerlocal.com/religion. I understand Jefferson's motivation, but this did become a group effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-50995640925089740282008-03-14T14:19:00.000-06:002008-03-14T14:19:00.000-06:00I don't know why Holmes classified Alexander Hamil...I don't know why Holmes classified Alexander Hamilton as a "Christian deist." I have studied his life, faith, and writings for about 3 and a half years, and there is no evidence that Hamilton favored deism or rationalism at all. He may not have talked about religion a lot or all the time, but since when does that prove that he wasn't Christian. Anything he said about religion was compatible with the Bible.<BR/><BR/>I have an entire blog dedicated to this subject: <BR/>www.ahpatriot.blogspot.com<BR/>The sidebar will take you to a whole bunch of links that detail his faith as expressed through his own writings and eyewitness testimony.<BR/><BR/>And Brian Tubbs has an excellent point about the relationship between Christianity and the Enlightenment. Many of the Enlightenment thinkers that our Founders relied upon (John Locke, William Blackstone, Hugo Grotius, etc) had bibical worldviews; John Locke once went so far as to say that he based his ideas on the Bible.<BR/><BR/>I have a blog dedicated to the roots of our Constitution and form of government, which does address this subject also:<BR/>www.thefoundationforum.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>And I have a friend who has been blogging about this subject quite extensively, here:<BR/>www.ourfoundingtruth.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>I have never read Holmes' book, but if I am correct, he sees church attendance as a key in determining the Founders' Christianity, including Hamilton's. <BR/><BR/>It is often claimed that Hamilton did not attend church. I have found no ground for this argument, although it is true he did not officially become a MEMBER of a church until his death. But how does this prove that he had doubts about the Bible, which never says "Thou shalt go to church." Now, the Bible DOES say, "And do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together, as is the manner of some," however, Hamilton did not "forsake the assembling" on Sunday; he conducted "church services" in his own home with his own family at the Grange! Before then, it is uncertain whether or not he attended church (although the "Patriot window" in Christ Church, Phila. seems to indicate this; I am currently checking the issue with the church historian there). but uncertainty of his attendance does not disprove his Christianity, and it does not prove that he never attended church.Hercules Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09359315762800176142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-57682931242545221442007-12-21T19:33:00.000-07:002007-12-21T19:33:00.000-07:00Brian brings up an important point when it comes t...Brian brings up an important point when it comes to the Enlightenment. By no means was the Enlightenment a time when religious views were looked down upon. Instead the Enlightenment promoted rational thought, which was injected into the religious world of the Founding Fathers.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-3729800523448594472007-12-21T12:37:00.000-07:002007-12-21T12:37:00.000-07:00Brief word on the Enlightenment....There's a myth ...Brief word on the Enlightenment....<BR/><BR/>There's a myth that the Enlightenment represented a rejection of religion. It did not. It emphasized the importance of education, individual thought and rationalization. In that sense, it was a rejection of any organized religious church, organization, and system that sought to SUPPRESS rational thought. I'll grant that. But the Enlightenment did not (in and of itself) represent a repudiation of God's existence or the place that faith can play in society or in the life of an individual.Brian Tubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412421076480479001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-50312716256187719672007-12-21T12:35:00.000-07:002007-12-21T12:35:00.000-07:00Two great books on this controversial subject are....Two great books on this controversial subject are...<BR/><BR/><I>The Founders on Religion</I> by James Hutson<BR/><BR/><I>America's God: From Jonathan Edwards to Abraham Lincoln</I> by Mark NollBrian Tubbshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412421076480479001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-13920681441914406592007-12-21T01:21:00.000-07:002007-12-21T01:21:00.000-07:00I would say that the intial colonial roots were re...I would say that the intial colonial roots were religiously intolerant. The secular laws for the colonies included punishmenta for dissidence, blasphemy, etc. I love the potrayal of this in part 3 of the PBS show, "Colonial House" which is named "A City of God" after aportion Winthrop's often quoted speech that he wrote aboard the Arabella, "A Modell of Chrisitan Charity".<BR/> <BR/>It is important to remember that both Connecticut and Rhode Island were founded by those rejected and banished by the Puritans of Mass. based on religious differences. There was a reason for the Great Awakening, religious indifference. Many colonists were more interested in their economic opportunity rather than their religious freedom. The basis for the Revolution after all was, economic, as Fred pointed out earlier. Mercantilism forced the colonies into a corner when the Empire came looking for their revenue.<BR/><BR/>Back to the topic, I think the that the religious beliefs are impotant only to the point that they shape their views on the nature of man and morality as this will play into their construction of our government and laws.David Mabryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17261259862668271212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-29213281516407056942007-12-20T20:14:00.000-07:002007-12-20T20:14:00.000-07:00The founding fathers were diest. It is the christ...The founding fathers were diest. It is the christians that can't accept this obvious fact. They said many times that they were sick of religion and that is why trhey created america in the first place. America was going to be a country that didn't give favoratizm to religions but now they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-31476733696089281482007-12-20T16:31:00.000-07:002007-12-20T16:31:00.000-07:00I think it would also be interesting to look at ho...I think it would also be interesting to look at how some of our Founders rationalized their sexual promiscuity with women. Did they use religion? Did Franklin use religion to justify all the sex he had with prostitutes, and did Jefferson do the same with Sally Hemmings?Lindsey Shumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536959819608584779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-42474490898511113772007-12-20T16:29:00.000-07:002007-12-20T16:29:00.000-07:00That is an interesting definition: "theistic ratio...That is an interesting definition: "theistic rationalists." I think it applies to some of the Founders but not all. Thomas Paine, for example, would not fit that mold. <BR/><BR/>It is important also that we recognize that fact that the Founding Fathers were, in many cases, angry at organized religion. America (contrary to popular opinion) was not created on religious freedom, but religious TOLERANCE. There is a big difference and the Founders knew it. Tolerance meant that you had to accept religions into your colony, but did not have to give them equal treatment. Most people don't know this, but 10 out of the 13 colonies had STATE SANCTIONED RELIGIONS. It's no surprise to me that one of the first orders of business for the Founding Fathers would end that practice.Lindsey Shumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536959819608584779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-89393857984136909872007-12-20T16:23:00.000-07:002007-12-20T16:23:00.000-07:00I agree with you, Lindsey. The Enlightenment was ...I agree with you, Lindsey. The Enlightenment was huge. There is no doubt that it shaped the upper class of both European and American society during the colonial era. <BR/><BR/>I think that the best definition I have ever heard in regards to the religious beliefs of the Founding Fathers is that they were "Theistic Rationalists." What this means is that for the most part, they were believers in some form of diety. At the same time, however, they were stong supporters of rational thought. I think of George Washington who stated that America must be governed "by reason and not religion" but at the same time kissed the Bible and stated "so help me God" at his swearing in. That pretty much sums up the religon of many of the Founding Fathers.Brad Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669677047039491864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-46776769593054822252007-12-20T16:20:00.000-07:002007-12-20T16:20:00.000-07:00This happens to be the topic of one of my research...This happens to be the topic of one of my research papers actually. You mentioned the importance of the Enlightenment of the Founding Fathers and I would like to emphasize that point. The Enlightenment was the SINGLE BIGGEST influence on the upper class of colonial society. The Enlightenment taught reason and rationalization as a fundamental factor in understanding religion. It comes as no surprise that so many of our Founding Fathers disagreed with the teachings of the various churches. It is also no surprise that so many of them found Jesus to be a philosopher and not a savior. <BR/><BR/>The Enlightenment also taught our Founding Fathers that religion should be taken with a grain of salt. Many of the Founding Fathers had received excellent educations baced on Enlightenment thinking. They knew of all the radical religious notions that had led Salem to burn "witches," had convinced Christians to embark on the Crusades, and had caused the inquisition in Spain. <BR/><BR/>With all of that said, the Founders were religious people. It is true that many held a different interpretation of Christianity or religion in general, but this does not ignore the fact that many still embraced a belief in deity.Lindsey Shumanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536959819608584779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6931682382198278362.post-53211825299732908862007-12-20T14:42:00.000-07:002007-12-20T14:42:00.000-07:00I read "Faiths of the Founding Fathers" and though...I read "Faiths of the Founding Fathers" and thought it was an excellent book so I agree with what you wrote. I would call Washington a full deist though.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05504032868942862532noreply@blogger.com